A Girl Like Jazmine Sullivan
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RAE: Was “Bust Your Windows” one of the first songs you wrote for that project?
SULLIVAN: “In Love With Another Man” was one of the first songs I wrote.
RAE: Mm-hmm, okay, it was cheating-inspired
SULLIVAN: I was not a cheater at that point.
RAE: Oh, okay. [laughs]
ISSA RAE: Talk about the process of creating an album—even now, you’re not calling Heaux Tales an album. What do you call it? A mixtape? An EP?
SULLIVAN: It’s an EP, but it’s changing for me now. I feel like now it’s more of a project or an album, just based on the effect it’s having on women. I called it an EP at first because I felt like it was too short. I had been away for six years. I was like, I can’t come in and just call it an album. But from the response—what it has turned into for women and what it’s doing for women, how it’s empowering them—it’s like an album.
RAE: What specifically inspired you this time around? Are you like some artists where you’re like, I create my best work when I’m miserable or being wronged? Or are you like, I just feel inspired or I’m happy or I have something to get off my chest?
SULLIVAN: It’s about being inspired to do it. I don’t want to believe that I’m my best when I’m heartbroken, but a lot of inspiration does come from heartbreak. And it hits a different way if you are going through things personally. Especially if that’s what you like to write about—and I do write a lot of heartbreak songs, because I’ve been in a lot of bad relationships that just gave me material. Then there’s when the label says, “B–ch, it’s been six years. Just write a damn album!” [laughs]
RAE: How important is it to you to convey different types of Black womanhood?
SULLIVAN: Before now, I had really just been concerned about expressing myself and getting my story out there—and people have connected to that. But for this project, it was important for me to share the stories of the women I love and hold dear to my heart. I feel like they are just as banging and dynamic as me. And I want to give space and opportunity to women, period. I feel like we get caught up in thinking there’s “only one” of us.
RAE: Yes.
SULLIVAN: There can only be one R&B superstar; there can only be one rap girl at a time. That’s not true. God was not stingy when He was giving out gifts. And you’re not the only person. There are many other women, especially Black women, who can do what you do. And let’s all create spaces for each other to get out there and do that. And the women in my life—my girlfriends, my mom, my aunts—the reason that y’all see a glimpse of any kind of greatness in me is because of those women. My girlfriends and I, we literally grew each other up. We’ve experienced so much and gotten through so much and grown through so much. I wanted to do a service to everybody else, by letting people hear that these are my girlfriends and they’re just as dope as me. And just as dope as you and your girlfriends, your aunts and your moms. I just wanted to create space.
RAE: You said a word—something that’s so true for even my own experience. Thinking about the show, it was based off of my best friend and drawing from the real-life experiences of the friends around me. And that’s something you touched on: support from other women in general. How have you felt that way? Have you found a community within the music industry that you feel props you up? Even hearing Ari Lennox on Heaux Tales makes me wonder, what has it been like with other music- industry women?
SULLIVAN: I’m very private, myself, which I’m going to therapy for. I just started, so…
RAE: Congratulations.
SULLIVAN: Thank you.
RAE: I’m going to be right behind you, girl.
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